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42-year-old Tori MP Johnny marcer is
42 岁的 Tori MP Johnny Marcer 即将
entering hmp Shrewsbury I would ask
进入什鲁斯伯里监狱，我想问一下，
whether there is any more the department
该部门是否
can do to work with families whose son
还能为那些儿子被
was murdered by an individual on license
持证人谋杀的家人提供更多帮助，
he STS me as a genuine
他把我当作一个真正的
yeah
beor people write that I should go to
beor 人 写我应该
prison every day with dor MP follow Mr
每天和多尔议员一起去监狱跟随
low you'll be taken to your new
低先生你将被带到你的新
apartment going to be world's away from
公寓将是世界远离
day today long at Westminster MP Johnny
今天在威斯敏斯特议员
merer must share aell with Kevin Lane
约翰尼梅勒必须与
who spent 24 years behind bars there's a
在监狱里度过了 24 年的凯文莱恩分享
way to behave in prison prison is run on
在监狱里有自己的行为准则，监狱是靠
violence we're in prison now this is a
暴力运作的，我们现在在监狱里，这是一种
new life this is a jungle as regards
新的生活，这是一个丛林，至于
Kevin L it's dangerous for anyone to
Kevin L，任何人和
share a cell with him because I don't
他同住一个牢房都是危险的，因为我不
think he shared a cell with anyone since
认为他和别人共用一个牢房。 大约在
before around about
1991 how long he spent in prison 24
1991 年之前，他被关押了多久？24
years 24
年 24
years and what are you convicted of
年，你被判了什么罪？
contract kill
合同杀了
him really yeah that killing someone
他，是的，杀死一个
without an emotion is the worst murder
没有感情的人是最严重的谋杀，
you can do you just go and kill someone
你可以去杀一个
you don't know you just been paid to do
你不喜欢的人 不知道你只是
it when did you start getting involved
你什么时候开始涉足
in serious crime well I started working
严重犯罪的？
the doors when I was 18 from there I
我 18 岁的时候就开始做门卫工作了。从那时起，我
started ringing cars stealing Porsches
开始敲门，偷保时捷之
and things like that where did you move
类的事情。你从哪里开始
from stealing cars got look for a few
偷车的？你有没有调查过几起
kidnappings does this window not open no
绑架案？ 这扇窗户不开不
don't open I like fresh air I mate I go
不要开我喜欢新鲜空气我伙计
funny without it got OCD do you know
没有它我会觉得很奇怪你有强迫症你知道那是
what that is yes I do obsessive
什么是的
compulsive disorder I had OCD from when
我有强迫症我从小就有强迫症
I was a boy actually it's pretty much a
实际上它几乎是一种
coping mechanism for a pretty chaotic
应对机制 童年相当混乱，
childhood and then as you get older it
然后随着年龄的增长，
sort of really flares up in periods of
stress if it gets really bad it can lead
压力会逐渐加剧，如果情况变得非常糟糕，就会
to balance of depression I like fresh
导致抑郁，我喜欢新鲜
air when I spend a lot of time on the
空气，当我花很多时间在 lbe 上时，
lbe making sure my uh backs side's clean
确保我的 呃后面很干净
do you smoke yeah yeah what would you
你抽烟吗是的是你
like a cigarette yes please are you
想要一支烟吗是的请问你
having a no but I will need some toilet
抽烟吗不但我需要一些
paper it's in your ass
卫生纸它在你的屁股里是的
yes you get searched all the time so you
你一直被搜查所以你
need to put Contraband in the safe don't
需要把违禁品放在保险箱里
you chub lock it straight
你不把它
up all right make sure you're greased
全部锁起来吗 对了，确保你涂了油，
cuz you will be putting some faces if
因为你会摆出一副表情，如果
you
你
ain't is this coming out of your ass
不涂油的话，这是从你的屁股里冒出来的，是
well yeah oh don't me I don't think I
的，哦，不要是我，我觉得我
could cope right
现在无法应付，她
now there she is she's
在那里，她
out Jesus Christ that has come out of
出去了，耶稣基督 那是从
your ass what do you think on
你的屁股里出来的，你对此有何看法，
that okay you got all over your hands
好吧，你的手上全是东西，
so when you're Turing 20 years in prison
所以当你是图灵时，在监狱里呆了20年，
a bit is not much to worry about when
没什么可担心的，当
you want have a cigarette if stinks
你想抽根烟时，如果很臭，
we're opening the window mate the only
我们就会开业 窗户伙伴，
thing you'll be sming in a minute is to
你一分钟内唯一会发出的气味就是
back up
倒车
smell the was
气味，
that I don't believe that you're an MP
我不相信你是国会议员，
you're getting me in trouble this is my
你给我带来了麻烦，这是我
worst nightmare mate if you turn up here
最可怕的噩梦伙伴，如果你出现
like me like your average Joe and you
像我一样，像普通人一样，你
don't really know anything about prison
对监狱一无所知，也不知道
and how it works I didn't have to smash
它是如何运作的，我不需要砸碎
the window I didn't have to smoke I
窗户，我不需要吸烟，我
could have told the off it's kind of
可以告诉他们，这就是
what you do to get by and I think that's
你要做的事情 过得去，我认为这就是
what prison is it's just getting by
监狱，只是过得去，
that's to back
这是回来
look
well we're in now aren't we that was
好吧，我们现在在，不是吗？那
that was an exciting interlude thanks
是一个令人兴奋的插曲，谢谢
for
thatu sake Johnny marsar is having lunch
你，约翰尼·马萨尔正在
with inmates Tony oal and Kevin you like
和囚犯托尼·奥尔和凯文一起吃午饭，你喜欢
you're angry all the
你一直很生气，
time right that's quite a high level of
对吧，那是相当高的
energy that I don't have for example but
能量水平 我没有，但是
I can see how you become that because to
我能理解你是如何变成那样的，
be like yeah because you've got these
因为你已经准备好了这些
things set up to cope it's all about
东西来应对，这一切都是为了
coping it's just coping getting through
应对，只是应对，度过
every day coping can you imagine this
每一天，你能想象这种
routine for 8 9 10 months I know imagine
例行公事吗 8 9 10个月我知道想象一下
what effect that has on you mentally
这对你的精神有什么影响是的
yeah and then one day someone opens you
然后有一天有人打开你的
door and goes going home today yeah but
门然后今天回家是的但是
all that mental damage is done you need
所有的精神伤害都造成了你需要
more support in prisons there's nothing
在监狱里得到更多的支持
wrong with victims wanting to see you
受害者想要看到并没有错 你受到了
punished
惩罚，
but listen you're you're stuck on this
但听着，你被困在这个
victim yeah if all we're going to say is
受害者身上，是的，如果我们要说的是
well the victims deserve justice yes
受害者应该得到正义，是
they do but what about the next victim
的，他们应该得到正义，但下一个受害者呢？
and the victim after that and the victim
after that and the vitim because you
再下一个受害者呢？再下一个受害者呢？ vitim 因为你
don't fix that individual there's just
不修复那个个体，
going to be more victim part of that
只会有更多 受害者
Rehabilitation is big but it's not
康复是其中很重要的一部分，但这并不是
everything this idea that prison is
全部，监狱
purely for your
纯粹是为了你的
Rehabilitation well it should you
康复，你
haven't got to be a rocket scientist to
不必成为一名火箭科学家就能
look at the crime statistics that have
看到犯罪统计数据
consistently gone up what
一直在上升，
planet have you got to be living on to
你去哪个星球 活着
look at that and think yeah prison
看看这些，然后想，是的，监狱
service is working you're deluded look
服务正在发挥作用，你被误导了，看看
at the
statistics it's not working wake the up
统计数据，它没有发挥作用，醒醒吧，
government mate you're talking out your
政府伙伴，你在胡说八道，
ass people dying for what so that some
人们为何而死，以便
MP in government can stand up and go
政府中的一些议员可以站出来
yeah I think the prison system is
是的，我认为监狱系统正在
working I'm going to go and decorate my
发挥作用，我要去装饰我的
flat you and it
公寓，
ultimately if we're going to
最终如果我们要
rehabilitate people which is what people
改造人们，这是人们
want to see but requires further
希望看到的，但需要
Reflection from them rather than
他们进一步反思，而不是
complaining about everything that's been
抱怨一切 他们遭受了这样的
done to them but even that is wrong
对待，但即使是这样也是错误的，
because the products of their upbringing
因为他们的成长环境，
Kevin never had a dad nothing simple
凯文从来没有父亲，这很不简单，
particularly in
特别是在
prison
监狱里